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i did initially use right floats, but either way works for me i guess apparently I can not see the matrix through my code as you guys do :P I’m still an amateur so I’m not good at keeping up semantics and such. It seems that every time i try to catch up i get left further behind. I was just getting a grip and css3 and html 5 came along and now i’m floundering in a sea of info again :D thank god for css tricks and tons of you guys answering my silly questions :D