it removed the scrollbar yes but what it did was remove the center positioning. for the meantime I added padding-left:20px to get it centered. so in essence your suggestion was I guess a partial/temp fix. any other ideas. all pages have a separate stylesheet associated with it to render certain colors on certain pages. i notice that the stylesheet associated with the front page, main.css, still has that left 50% on the UL and 50% right on the ul li and there is no hor. scrollbar in IE7 so that tells me there is something on that sheet that is different than the others.