I did a major redesign of our company website and have it live since last Saturday. www.thecableconnection.com I wished to go “Liquid” really bad, but due to large amount of tabular data which require considerable width I gave up and went with Fixed Width :( Any suggestions please, how that tabular data could be handled in liquid design? Looking forward to all the opinions and suggestions. Thank you!
First, you're using the HTML5 doctype but not taking advantage of any of its features. Ditch the id="header, footer, article", etc and use the newer, semantic tags like , , etc.
@theacefes dont' have much experience with HTML5 elements we still have a lot of traffic to our website with IE6 &7 and have no clue how it would behave
@ChristopherBurton Yes, but that wasn't my point. Obviously his site still renders and works. My suggestion (though now that I look back it may have come off a bit ultimatum-like) was made in an effort to help him clean up his markup a bit.
@theacefes I see. The way I read it made it seem that you were stating there was no reason to use the HTML5 doctype without the new elements. The divs used in @krysak4ever's post look okay to me.
@krysak4ever Great suggestion for that slide show going with jquery instead ani gif Transision is lot nicer and it is so much lighter than that 2.5MB ani gif. I used better quality pics for it instead of over optimized pics like I had before. Thanx a lot
1.] are you still working on this company website of yours? 2.] do you have there any deadline until you need to redesign it? 3.] can you alter only code or you also have say in design of the web ?
I can provide you with some more feedback far more deeper if you want to
@krysak4ever 1.] are you still working on this company website of yours? I am currently tweaking this latest redesign what's live now cause I learned some more stuff since then. I am also getting rid of drop downs cause I am not a big fan of them (Just my pet-peeve). I came up with something lot more user friendly than that.
2.] do you have there any deadline until you need to redesign it? No deadline
3.] can you alter only code or you also have say in design of the web ? I have complete control over entire design and content. (That's my problem. I am not a designer) :)
As soon as it'll be done I am going to post it and notify you. I'll sure appreciate your feedback a lot my country man :)
My primary job here is development and administration of 11 different databases I built, automation of MS Office suite with VBA and other stuff.
Web is something new to me. I convinced the company about 2 years ago and offer to redesign table based layout website after I learned CSS and HTML for couple of months. I realized about 3 months ago how terrible I've done so I redesigned it about a months ago but I am still not happy with it as I learn more and more stuff.
ok I am kinda busy this week but by the end or during its course I will have a look at some stuff from time to tima and post it gradually here or at once on Sunday
quote: "embed the video in the page :)" Company hated all 3 thumbnails what Google provided so I came up with that solution of pop-up. I would like to preserve that image and after clicking the image expose the embedded video behind it. How would I handle that? With opacity of 0 and that image active state? Will it work in all browsers? Or is there a better solution to this? Thanx.
I am already using lightbox on this page. Never mind the quality of img's in LB. I screwed up by over optimizing them. So I guess I could use it to pop the video same way? Is there any advantage using LB over sized pop-up browser window at top left? Just curious.
pop up, do not really use it these days: - does not work when Javascript is turned off - lots of users have this feature (pop up windows) turned off in their browsers - most of the time it is used for irritating commercials or spam messages (popin' out everywhere)
+ not aware of any cons at all
! at the top left ... no man, no, sorry = we all look at the center of the monitor not its corners
... versus ...
LightBox is modern: - does not work when Javascript is turned off
+ keeps user on the same page + work just fine + easy to implement (photo galleries) + can be used on any type of content
Hi Just got to work. I have no problem with constructive criticism whatsoever. Even tho I started learning css and html about 2 years ago, I am just now really serious about it in a last 2-3 months. I really want to learn it the right way and I appreciate all the effort on your side. I am even thinking to take some design classes at the local college cause I've notice that everything I do in web is too boxy and not enough white space. That comes from 10+ years of developing DB back ends and front ends (UI) data entry forms. Dekuji. Have a dobry den :)
I did that on purpose that minimal markup for that main menu. 1) Less code 2) That main menu will never ever change or will be messed with.
Now, the question is, is it semantically correct? Not sure. I read about semantics often but don't have quite good understanding of it and why it matters.
I use notepad for development and if I change it in CSS, I am looking at updating 65 pages manually. Doesn't sound like a good idea to me, even tho it wouldn't be a really big deal for me to do that.
Just finished watching the first screen cast. You have some nice great points on it. I already mentioned that I will be getting rid of dropdowns in a next release. I don't find them user friendly at all. I will replace dropdowns which is the 3rd level of navigation to visible crumbs style links. Those 3 home buttons. You are right on. I will rename them to a actual product lines like: Ultra-tec and Wire Rope. I will also implement Go to top, that was good idea and I've seen it many times when browsing sites. As you probably noticed, I got rid of popup windows for videos and instead embedded them in pages. Some customers who were behind some corporate firewalls were not able to see them and by embedding them on page it solved that issue.
It was funny here in the office. Friend of mine heard that screen cast and said: That guy sounds like you. And I go, he lives in Czech . And friend says. Damn, you been here 30 years and you don't sound any different than him as far as accent. So, don't know how should I feel about that. Just kidding. Take care.
Damn, this Sublimetext is very cool. I went to File, Open Folder, selected the folder where my website is and I got everything available on the left side nav. Very cool.
Hi Daniel, I sent you friend request on FB Thanx. I'll be busy today with analytics reporting and creating some email blasts so I catch up with you later. Jiri
www.thecableconnection.com
I wished to go “Liquid” really bad, but due to large amount of tabular data which require considerable
width I gave up and went with Fixed Width :(
Any suggestions please, how that tabular data could be handled in liquid design?
Looking forward to all the opinions and suggestions.
Thank you!
dont' have much experience with HTML5 elements
we still have a lot of traffic to our website with IE6 &7 and have no clue how it would behave
thanx for suggestion tho
for IE you can "enable" proper rendering of new HMTL5 tags using this
http://code.google.com/p/html5shiv/
so you can have cleaner code
but honestly 1st fix basic problems on your web before thinking about some fluid stuff and more advanced things
this part almost killed me
http://www.thecableconnection.com/ultra-tec.html
.GIF that has 2.25 MB !?
instead of going "1991 oldskool syle"
use this solution for changing images
http://webdesignfan.com/jquery-slider-tutorials-and-plugins/
I'll take your suggestions for sure
So I take this?
https://github.com/aFarkas/html5shiv/blob/master/src/html5shiv.js
compress it, put it on the server root directory and link to it on each page
in head section like this?
Is this going to cover all IE versions?
So I take this?
https://github.com/aFarkas/html5shiv/blob/master/src/html5shiv.js
compress it, put it on the server root directory and link to it on each page
in head section like this?
Is this going to cover all IE versions?
that should do the trick
but sill read this
http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/html-css-techniques/how-to-make-all-browsers-render-html5-mark-up-correctly-even-ie6/
Great suggestion for that slide show going with jquery instead ani gif
Transision is lot nicer and it is so much lighter than that 2.5MB ani gif.
I used better quality pics for it instead of over optimized pics like I had before.
Thanx a lot
have 3 questions:
1.] are you still working on this company website of yours?
2.] do you have there any deadline until you need to redesign it?
3.] can you alter only code or you also have say in design of the web ?
I can provide you with some more feedback far more deeper
if you want to
1.] are you still working on this company website of yours?
I am currently tweaking this latest redesign what's live now cause I learned some more stuff since then. I am also getting rid of drop downs cause I am not a big fan of them (Just my pet-peeve).
I came up with something lot more user friendly than that.
2.] do you have there any deadline until you need to redesign it?
No deadline
3.] can you alter only code or you also have say in design of the web ?
I have complete control over entire design and content.
(That's my problem. I am not a designer) :)
As soon as it'll be done I am going to post it and notify you.
I'll sure appreciate your feedback a lot my country man :)
My primary job here is development and administration of 11 different databases I built,
automation of MS Office suite with VBA and other stuff.
Web is something new to me. I convinced the company about 2 years ago and offer to redesign table based layout website after I learned CSS and HTML for couple of months. I realized about 3 months ago how terrible I've done so I redesigned it about a months ago but I am still not happy with it as I learn more and more stuff.
I am kinda busy this week but by the end or during its course I will have a look at some stuff from time to tima and post it gradually here or at once on Sunday
for start here
http://thecableconnection.com/wire-rope.html
embed the video in the page :)
no pop up window
I am looking forward to collaborate on this with you cause I feel I know just enough to be dangerous.
Thanx.
"embed the video in the page :)"
Company hated all 3 thumbnails what Google provided so I came up with that solution of pop-up.
I would like to preserve that image and after clicking the image expose the embedded video behind it. How would I handle that? With opacity of 0 and that image active state?
Will it work in all browsers?
Or is there a better solution to this?
Thanx.
example
http://weby.krsiak.cz/klient/501st/video.php
I have web I did with what you say
custom image for video
+ when you click on it on the same page appears overlay with new content (video)
same stuff can be done as gallery for images
like I have here
http://weby.krsiak.cz/reference.php
in general the technique is called LightBox
get it here
http://fancybox.net/
under Various examples is ... Youtube (iframe)
the same you can use
learn on how to do it
http://fancybox.net/howto
So I guess I could use it to pop the video same way?
Is there any advantage using LB over sized pop-up browser window at top left?
Just curious.
- does not work when Javascript is turned off
- lots of users have this feature (pop up windows) turned off in their browsers
- most of the time it is used for irritating commercials or spam messages (popin' out everywhere)
+ not aware of any cons at all
! at the top left ... no man, no, sorry = we all look at the center of the monitor not its corners
... versus ...
LightBox is modern:
- does not work when Javascript is turned off
+ keeps user on the same page
+ work just fine
+ easy to implement (photo galleries)
+ can be used on any type of content
I'll use LB then. I guess it will add to more consistency also instead having some with popup browser and some with LB.
Thanx.
today I reviewed most of your site
to be honest = to much to write here by hand
no worries I know you said you are new to web design, nothing personal ok ?
I am trying to put here constructive critique only
I will record video screencast which I will put on my youtube channel and share it here with you
so we do not post here 100 posts :)
I will show you there some erroros and stuff and comment on it
what you will want to discuss you can comment on here later
will be back, once recorder
cya till then
Just got to work.
I have no problem with constructive criticism whatsoever.
Even tho I started learning css and html about 2 years ago, I am just now really serious about it in a last 2-3 months. I really want to learn it the right way and I appreciate all the effort on your side.
I am even thinking to take some design classes at the local college cause I've notice that everything I do in web is too boxy and not enough white space. That comes from 10+ years of developing DB back ends and front ends (UI) data entry forms.
Dekuji.
Have a dobry den :)
starts here
http://krsiakdaniel.minus.com/mbl0wzun4i/15
put the main MENU in list items
http://krsiakdaniel.minus.com/mbl0wzun4i/16
save yourself the pain, list can be moved around ans styled easier
as you have the submenu in list
@jurotek
sry my mic is just bad, only laptop inbuilt
I have no proper audio recording setup here
1st screencast comments on "navigation" = 08:49
http://youtu.be/BWXeMhvqH4U
Thanx for the post
Here's the markup for that menu you refering to:
I did that on purpose that minimal markup for that main menu.
1) Less code
2) That main menu will never ever change or will be messed with.
Now, the question is, is it semantically correct?
Not sure. I read about semantics often but don't have quite good understanding of it and why it matters.
I use notepad for development and if I change it in CSS, I am looking at updating 65 pages manually.
Doesn't sound like a good idea to me, even tho it wouldn't be a really big deal for me to do that.
What do you think my friend?
You have some nice great points on it.
I already mentioned that I will be getting rid of dropdowns in a next release.
I don't find them user friendly at all.
I will replace dropdowns which is the 3rd level of navigation to visible crumbs style links.
Those 3 home buttons. You are right on.
I will rename them to a actual product lines like:
Ultra-tec and Wire Rope.
I will also implement Go to top, that was good idea and I've seen it many times when browsing sites.
As you probably noticed, I got rid of popup windows for videos and instead embedded them in pages. Some customers who were behind some corporate firewalls were not able to see them and by embedding them on page it solved that issue.
Thank you for your time, I appreciate that.
that would need someone better than me to explain
I saw a lot of basic HTML tutorials where guys are deleting mere A tags in divs as you have and putting them inside of a list
here is basic example why it is better to use list for menu, easy to move with CSS only
http://codepen.io/krsiakdaniel/pen/mpBeG
HTML is mere skeleton that sets the core
CSS is like paint with which you can change every bone :D
That guy sounds like you. And I go, he lives in Czech . And friend says. Damn, you been here 30 years and you don't sound any different than him as far as accent. So, don't know how should I feel about that. Just kidding. Take care.
sorry again for the audio quality (not the accent :D)
not setup for recording audio + voice here
P.S.: curious what time you have there on your side (being in office now), here is 09:45 PM
some theory of using PHP
you say you use notepad for development
hope you mean this one
http://notepad-plus-plus.org/
NOT this one
http://krsiakdaniel.minus.com/mbl0wzun4i/17f
if you are serious about web coding stuff, get this editor (is for ... Win, Mac, Linux)
http://www.sublimetext.com/
I am just downloading the Sublimetext.
I went to File, Open Folder, selected the folder where my website is and I got everything available on the left side nav. Very cool.
read following
what you need from here is ... 7 – Package Control !
http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/tools-and-tips/sublime-text-2-tips-and-tricks/
here = Zen Coding + Sublime CodeIntel
http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/tools-and-tips/essential-sublime-text-2-plugins-and-extensions/
good post as well (general info)
http://robdodson.me/blog/2012/06/23/sublime-text-2-tips-and-shortcuts/
+ once you installed package control > go ahead and install package called "SideBarEnhancements"
info what is what:
SideBarEnhancements
Zen Coding
do things I point out here now
the rest you will need later, once more advanced, so ignore it for now
get back to me if having any questions
since we will be "coworking" as it seems :)
you can add me if you want to (in case you use any of these)
http://facebook.com/krsiak
http://twitter.com/krsiakdaniel
https://plus.google.com/103683273055670815184/posts
and I am Daniel by the way ;)
I sent you friend request on FB
Thanx.
I'll be busy today with analytics reporting and creating some email blasts so I catch up with you later.
Jiri
you said the company web has 65 pages and in HTML ?
man I do NOT envy you :)
if you can and have the "power" to change it, you should gradually but eventually, page by page, switch from HTML and convert it to PHP
HTML is hard to maintain during time and on so many pages
PHP will save you a 75 % of the time
basics explained and live example in 06:45
http://youtu.be/FJNzLLLE-RM