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Is Dreamweaver redundant?

  • I'm using it, but just to input css and html. Has it had its day?
  • According to me: yes. Look at anything else. I suggest SublimeText2.
  • I agree 100% with @jamy_za, i recently ditched my $30 a month subscription for Dreamweaver for a once off $50 license fee which i use on both my Mac and Windows machine and haven't looked back since. The software itself is 100x smaller, contains a lot better functionality and native plugin support rather then all that screwing around you had to do with Dreamweaver.
  • By the time that Dreamweaver loads up, you have opened Sublime Text 2, made the changes you had in mind, saved, and shut the program.
  • Discussions about DW tend towards the sort of discussions about OSs and browsers.

    In general if you like it and it works for you at a cost you like there is nothing wrong with it. By all means try other things as suggested but go with what you are happy with.
  • I agree with @Paulie_D and I also think you'll be 'more happy' with other text editors if you're happy with Dreamweaver.
  • I used Dreamweaver at first but have since switched to using just TextMate, which I much prefer.
  • It is, as others have stated, a matter of preference. I use Coda.
  • I use dreamweaver and have been for years. Partly because the new version has really good support for PHP along with the CSS and HTML, plus has an FTP client and template support (which allows to build a master template for a web site, if I need to add a menu item, change the template and is populates down). Those are the reasons why I use it. I have kept an open mind for other better all-in-one solutions but as far as I know, textmate, sublime text, etc. don't have all of this support integrated. Plus if you are already purchasing photoshop / illustrator, it comes in a nice, fairly inexpensive bundle.
  • I used Dreamweaver for years ... and was recently persuaded to try Mirabytes Web Architecht ....

    And I love it, so light, offer everything you would need that DW offers ... at an eight of the price

    I need a visual reference, I know I must be the only one on the World that don't use FF during build phase.... but hey, we all have our quirks
  • I've also been a Dreamweaver user for years but recently have found myself using it less and less. It's still great for creating templates as mentioned by djpic but the css support and has fallen behind. When I started using Programs like Adobe GoLive (Yes.. I was the one person using GoLive) and Dreamweaver the HTML document was King and CSS was secondary. The times have changed and now for a designer CSS is King but Dreamweaver still focuses on the html document.

    In my humble opinion Adobe needs to completely rework the the UI to make CSS creation and editing the focus.
  • If you have tried Phpstorm or Sublime Text 2 this would be a non thread. Phpstorm is simply an amazing work of art and Sublime is a close second. Both can be run on pc or mac. I am a mac user and have used Coda and yes Textmate...they are good but are not even close to the top of my tool box.
  • As many others have said, it is all about personal preference. I personally have not used Dreamweaver in about 8 or more years, and even back then I seldom used it. To me, it is far more than it needs to be, and has a lot of problems that you can avoid by learning how to work with an editor and native web browser side by side. In my classes in which i teach intro to web design and development, I teach using Dreamweaver, for I think it is a great medium for beginners - but the people I'm teaching are a bunch of Art majors. If they were computer science majors, I would steer clear of Dreamweaver completely.

    As for my own work, I've been using NotePad++ for years now. I love how lightweight it is. Whether I'm doing CSS, HTML, PHP, .NET or anything else, I stick with NotePad++, which is my personal preference. I've tried Eclipse, but it is too sluggish for my taste.

    Someone in this thread mentioned something about Sublime Text 2. It too is a great program, and is incredibly lightweight.

    In the end, it is what you prefer. I suggest trying out a bunch of different solutions - there are a lot out there. UltraEdit, NotePad++, Sublime Text, Eclipse, Microsoft Visual Studio, PHPStorm, etc. And if you like Dreamweaver, go for it. But if you do, and you are a UI developer, please learn how to use an external browser and not rely on the design mode Dreamweaver provides you :)

    Happy designing and coding!!
  • @J4B Textmate and SublimeText2 have ftp support via plugins and Coda has it built in. It's not exclusively a Dreamweaver feature.
  • The worst thing about DW is the wysiwyg but I have found it really helpful as a relative learner.
  • The Design view is pretty awful usually but for WYSIWYG the Live view (being webkit) isn't bad.

    The "Live Code" view offers something that, AFAIK, is unavailable in any other offerings.

    Like I said, it's all about choice and finding out what suits the individual.
  • I prefer to use dreamweaver for everything. I can just as easily use other editors but the code hinting and color scheme for javascript / php / html / css / whatever is great. I recently rebuilt the full framework for Hollywoodnose from scratch in about five days on dreamweaver. Would of taken longer on any other text editor.
  • @grizzam I'm very sure the default Dreamweaver colour scheme can/has been duplicated for other text-editors. Also, the code hinting for SublimeText2 is done the same way, except Sublime comes with tab hotspots too.

    open a CSS file and type "body { col" and then press CTRL/CMD + SPACE

    Or (javascript file)

    "document.ge" + and then press TAB

    Dreamweaver doesn't have anything special except it being a resource-heavy Adobe product.

    Edit: Autocomplete suggestions (Triggered by CTRL/CMD + SPACE) should pop up automatically with the new update
  • I wouldn't say it was redundant particularly - I think the design view is for sure, but it all depends on what you like code wise. So it's more a opinion, rather than fact.

    For me like most people here - it is redundant - and I currently use Notepad++ :D
  • I like that when you hit </ it closes whatever node you're working inside of. I love "textmate", "coda" and "notepad++" too but that one thing makes me code so much faster. Its not perfect and I'm not saying its better than any of the other editors I use or that are mentioned but I like it. <br />
    I like being able to embed images quickly and easily, filling in properties (or fetching properties from files) using fields rather than endless parameter="value".

    Out of interest has anyone been using CS5.5 and the mutliple media query design view things for mobile development? I haven't but it looked like a great reason for novices to use Dreamweaver. Dave
  • @sheepysheep60 SublimeText2 - ALT + . closes the open HTML tag.
    CMD + ALT + . in OSx ( I think )
  • @jamy_za awesome! Do you work for them?! : )
  • @jamy_za, wow! I never knew that.
    What plugin does the ftp for Sublime?
  • @cnwtx http://wbond.net/sublime_packages/sftp - It costs $16 but at least you can try it out before hand to see if it's worth it. You should check out some of the different shortcuts, really cool: https://gist.github.com/1207002/

    @sheepysheep60 no I don't haha! Just an evangelist for products I think are absolutely awesome :p
  • @jamy_za Have you updated yet? The fuzzy logic used on the new autocomplete is fantastic! For instance, if I want to type box-shadow, then typing 'bs' is enough to bring it to the top of the list.
  • Site definition, file renaming and link updating is a very useful feature in Dreamweaver but I do find that it is pretty hard to justify the cost based on the minimal benefits over Sublime Text or Notepad ++.

  • the only thing i ever use dreamweaver for is setting up tables for html email layouts, otherwise i prefer to do everything in sublime.

  • The three best are DW sublime text and Komodo edit. I have all three. But can't seem to get off DW. To used to it. There is nothing wrong with it. It does a lot. Just slow

  • I wouldn't suggest which is best. I think it all comes down to personal preference.

    My opinion is that DW is quite heavy for just simple frontend development.